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Y-chromosomal Levi

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With increased DNA testing each year there is emerging an actual Y-chomosomal Levi group in J1 (Ancient Middle East, Levant) that would be a cousin of y-chromosomal Aaron. That is, descendants of Kehath but not Amran. There are people testing into this group, which would be an actual HaLevi line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.154.118.232 (talk) 17:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 == Samaritans ==

Does not the Bible indicate that the Samaritans came from a combination of the few Israelites in the land after the Assyrian deportation, a combination of that remnant with new people which the Assyrians brought into N Israel to repopulate the land after the Assyrians removed the Northern Israelites from the land? The part of this article on Samaritans appears to me to be quite different from the truth, a fantasy or ideas based on unreliable sources. (PeacePeace (talk) 23:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Are you saying Samaritan accounts are more of an unreliable source than the Bible? Doug Weller talk 10:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously, for more than one reason. There is no "jewish" account that the samaritans are jews. User:Editor2020 should have not revetred my edit. I have re entered my edit and left the non existing claim stay with a citation needed template. Also, the question of reliability is irrelevant to my edit, since both claims are provided. Snfdfk (talk) 08:14, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why was the jewish account of this removed again? This bias is not wiki-like Snfdfk (talk) 09:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion on Priest

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Good Afternoon,

From what I understand the mother determines if someone is Jewish or not, but there's a Y Chromosome model for the priest? Now you have priest popping up all over the world, and no where to go. This also put the church in a bad spot, because God's priest are NOT being accepted anywhere, and that can't be good can it ? Deny God's priest ? Why create a calling card if you have no where for them to go ? 71.34.227.105 (talk) 22:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gypsy Priester

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Mitochondrial DNA Diversity in the Polish RomaInterestingly, haplogroup K (with HVS I motif 16224-16234-16311) found in the Polish Roma sample seems to be specific for Ashkenazi Jewish populations.


A newly discovered founder population: the Roma/Gypsies Luba Kalaydjieva,1* Bharti Morar,1 Raphaelle Chaix,2 and Hua Tang3


Within the H-M82 haplogroup, an identical 8-microsatellite Y chromosome haplotype is shared by nearly 30% of Gypsy men, an astonishing degree of preservation of a highly differentiated lineage, previously described only in Jewish priests. (30) 2A02:8108:5082:AE00:AD32:A906:A1D0:9650 (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Came across this article whose WP:LEAD appeared to quite enthusiastically support a Biblical literalist view of Aaronic priesthood (Kohens, Levites etc.) i.e. of a single origin and ergo the historicity of Aaron; this was based mostly on WP:PRIMARY sources. Looking into the article's history, these lead changes were introduced with this edit, which also removed quite a lot of secondary sources and content (including refs [Relethford, Weitzmann] which postdate some of the primary studies inserted in the edit and even directly reference them). Further it appears to be a misrepresentation of sources as while the primary sources/studies cited say that while a significant number of Kohens do indeed have shared origins, they clearly add that not all of them do; which is exactly what the lead previously stated through the secondary references in a much more nuanced/balanced way.

I reverted these edits based on WP:PRIMARY, WP:SYNTH (for First Temple Aaron historicity which had been dubiously added as well) and other POV concerns (being wary of editors citing primary genetics research).

These edits were again recently restored by an IP without any rationale here.

@Doug Weller, SMcCandlish, Mark viking, Eastmain, and TarnishedPath: Further pinging recent contributors from the Talk page of the WP:GENETICS and Doug Weller as a past contributor. Inputs are much appreciated. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 23:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gotitbro I've only got my phone to review things at the moment and have very little time to access a PC as I'm away from home. I will try and have a look before I head home after new years, but no promises. In the meantime I'd suggest requesting temporary semi-protection at WP:RPP/I (if IPs are edit warring to restore a non-policy compliant version) and raising a discussion at WP:NOR/N.TarnishedPathtalk 23:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added it to my watchlist. Doug Weller talk 09:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]