Wikipedia:Categories for discussion

"WP:CFD" redirects here. For criteria for deletion, see WP:Criteria for deletion.

"WP:CFR" redirects here. For criteria for redaction, see WP:Criteria for redaction.

XFD backlog

V	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Total
CfD	0	0	0	28	28
TfD	0	0	0	1	1
MfD	0	0	2	1	3
FfD	0	0	1	17	18
RfD	0	0	10	25	35
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

1. Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
2. Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Scope

CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

Current discussions

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• All current discussions
  • 23 December (Monday)
  • 22 December (Sunday)
  • 21 December (Saturday)
  • 20 December (Friday)
  • 19 December (Thursday)
  • 18 December (Wednesday)
  • 17 December (Tuesday)
  • 16 December (Monday)
  • Previous 8 to 21 days
• Speedy renaming requests
• Archive and indices

Discussions awaiting closure

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 15 (13 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 14 (7 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 13 (8 open)

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.

How to use CfD

Nomination procedure

Twinkle

You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.

Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.

MassCFD

You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.

Manual nominations

I	Preliminary steps. Before nominating a category: Read and understand the guidance for category names and overcategorization. For categories containing biographical articles, read the guidance for categorization of people. For categories containing the user pages of Wikipedians, read the guidance for user categories. In the following special cases: If a category is a red link, then it is already deleted (or was never created in the first place) and does not need to be nominated. If a category is unpopulated, use {{db-catempty}} to request it be speedily deleted in 7 days. If a category is populated solely by a template (other than a stub template, see #Stub types below) and you are proposing to delete both the category and template, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style.
II	Edit the category. Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here. Otherwise, if nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) If nominating a group of related categories, use a bundled nomination: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd|CfD section name}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category|CfD section name}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2|CfD section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|CfD section name}} For converting the category into a list, {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|CfD section name}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) Include "CfD", "CfM", "CfR", "CfS" or "CfL" in the edit summary, and do not mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. To add the template for previous nomination days, use the "full" version of the template by appending "full" to the template name, i.e. {{cfd full}}, {{cfm full}}, {{cfr full}}, {{cfs full}} and {{cfl full}}. Use the |day=, |month= and |year= parameters to make the banner link to the correct CfD page. Consider adding {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 December 23|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator. For details about these templates, see each template's documentation.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the text= parameter, omit the Category: prefix and do not use wikilinks, as the template takes care of this. If nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category 1|target2=Destination category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For a bundled nomination, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, as follows: ==== Cfd section name ==== * 1st category * 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming] * Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature. If a bundled nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide some of the nominated categories. In your reason, use links if mentioning articles or categories. To link to a category, use the colon trick by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, e.g. [[:Category:Foo]]. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Stub types

I	Preliminary steps. In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming: Read and understand guidance for creating stub types and stub type naming conventions. Review the list of existing stub types—be advised, this list may not be comprehensive. If you wish to: Create a new stub type—follow the procedure for proposing new stub types. Delete, merge or rename a stub category only, without deleting or renaming the associated stub template—follow the instructions above this section. Delete or rename a stub template—continue to section II.
II	Edit the template. Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed. For deletion, use {{subst:Sfd-t|Section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Sfr-t|Proposed name|Section name}} Please include "SFD" or "SFR" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. Consider notifying the template's creator on their talk page. To find the contributor, check the page history of the stub template.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters): For deletion, use {{subst:sfd-t2|TemplateName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:sfr-t2|TemplateOldName|TemplateNewName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} In your rationale, mention how many articles currently use the template to help other editors. When linking to a category in your rationale, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Notifying interested projects and editors

In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 December 23|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}} to inform the category's creator and all other editors.

Notifying other interested editors

It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Closing procedure

After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.

Redirecting categories

"WP:CAT-R" redirects here. For the guideline on categorizing redirects, see Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects.

For an essay on this topic, see WP:Category redirects that should be kept.

In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.

In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Speedy renaming and merging

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
2. Tag category page with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} or {{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Requests may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

• Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

• Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
• Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
• Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

• Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
• Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

• This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
• This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
• This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

• Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
• This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
  • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
  • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
• This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
• Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

• This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
• The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous page

• This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article). When listing the nomination at WP:CFDS, you must manually add all the appropriate parent categories as targets if the member page is not already in them.

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

• A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
• If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 20:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 1,467 open requests ().

Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

• Category:Alianza F.C. to Category:Alianza F.C. (El Salvador) – C2D, match parent article name following recent RM. GiantSnowman 20:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Alianza F.C. footballers to Category:Alianza F.C. (El Salvador) footballers
• Category:WikiProject Free Software to Category:Free and open-source software task force – C2D per Wikipedia:WikiProject Software/Free and open-source software task force – Fayenatic London 19:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:WikiProject Free Software participants to Category:Free and open-source software task force participants
• Category:French colonial settlements of Upper Louisiana to Category:French colonial settlements of Illinois Country – C2B: per Illinois Country. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 23:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:History books about American Civil Engineering to Category:History books about civil engineering in the United States – C2B: Norm is to not use nationality when describing non-people. also parent is History books about the United States ^SMason_Garrison 14:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Colonial High School Faculty to Category:Colonial High School faculty – C2A. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Rail transport in Kusthia to Category:Rail transport in Kushtia – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia. Wikihistorian (talk) 08:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Tourist attractions in Kusthia to Category:Tourist attractions in Kushtia – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Cities in Kusthia District to Category:Cities in Kushtia District – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia District. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Museums in Kusthia district to Category:Museums in Kushtia District – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia District. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Tourist attractions in Kusthia District to Category:Tourist attractions in Kushtia District – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia District. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Road bridges in Kusthia district to Category:Road bridges in Kushtia District – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia District. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Road Transport in Kusthia district to Category:Road transport in Kushtia District – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia District. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Transport in Kusthia district to Category:Transport in Kushtia District – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia District. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bridges in Kusthia District to Category:Bridges in Kushtia District – C2A: misspelling of Kushtia District. Wikihistorian (talk) 07:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Chief Secretaries of Ceylon to Category:Chief secretaries of Ceylon – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 07:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of Sierra Leone to Category:Colonial secretaries of Sierra Leone
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of Cyprus to Category:Colonial secretaries of Cyprus
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of Fiji to Category:Colonial secretaries of Fiji
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of Gibraltar to Category:Colonial secretaries of Gibraltar
  • Category:Chief Secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony) to Category:Chief secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony)
  • Category:Chief Secretaries for Ireland to Category:Chief secretaries for Ireland
  • Category:Chief Secretaries of Kenya to Category:Chief secretaries of Kenya
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of Mauritius to Category:Colonial secretaries of Mauritius
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of New South Wales to Category:Colonial secretaries of New South Wales
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of New Zealand to Category:Colonial secretaries of New Zealand
  • Category:Chief Secretaries of Nigeria to Category:Chief secretaries of Nigeria
  • Category:Chief Secretaries of Northern Rhodesia to Category:Chief secretaries of Northern Rhodesia
  • Category:Chief Secretaries of Palestine to Category:Chief secretaries of Palestine
  • Category:Chief Secretaries of Singapore to Category:Chief secretaries of Singapore
  • Category:Colonial Secretaries of Tasmania to Category:Colonial secretaries of Tasmania
• Category:Chief Secretaries of Transjordan to Category:Chief secretaries of Transjordan – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Colonial Secretaries of Western Australia to Category:Colonial secretaries of Western Australia – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  oppose as per MOS:JOBTITLES They are capitalized only in the following cases: When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself the category is addressing the position in and of itself. This applies to all the other listed categories as well Gnangarra 11:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Colonial Secretaries of Prince Edward Island to Category:Colonial secretaries of Prince Edward Island – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Colonial Secretaries of Newfoundland to Category:Colonial secretaries of Newfoundland – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Colonial Secretaries of Bermuda to Category:Colonial secretaries of Bermuda – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Colonial Secretaries of Barbados to Category:Colonial secretaries of Barbados – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Colonial Secretaries of the Bahamas to Category:Colonial secretaries of the Bahamas – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Chief Secretaries of British Guiana to Category:Chief secretaries of British Guiana – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Syrian intelligence agencies to Category:Ba'athist Syria intelligence agencies – C2C: Rename to match renamed parent article Ba'athist Syria. These are organizations associated with the previous government that ran the country. Longhornsg (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Looking at Talk:Ba'athist Syria there still is some uncertainty about the long-term name of the article. Also would not match the rest of the tree; we do not have Category:Ba'athist Syria. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Indigenous leaders in South America to Category:Indigenous leaders of South America – C2C: parent is "Indigenous leaders of the Americas", which uses "of" ^SMason_Garrison 18:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Smasongarrison: arguably the parent might be renamed to "in". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Both parents? Indigenous people of South America also uses of ^SMason_Garrison 18:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Right. There is Category:Indigenous leaders in Canada. I guess "in" is technically more correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    Hmmm. That's a good point. I don't have strong opinions about which is used. Should we take this to full to see if someone does? ^SMason_Garrison 19:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:1959 establishments in Takijistan to Category:1959 establishments in Tajikistan – C2A: Typo. Solidest (talk) 14:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Abyssinian–Adal War to Category:Ethiopian–Adal War – C2D: C2D Gjs238 (talk) 13:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bridges over Yamuna River to Category:Bridges over the Yamuna River – C2B: see The#Geographic usage, wikt:the#Usage notes. Wikihistorian (talk) 10:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bridges over the Godavari river to Category:Bridges over the Godavari River – C2A: capitalization fix; WP:NCGN#Names of classes. Wikihistorian (talk) 09:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bridges over the Krishna river to Category:Bridges over the Krishna River – C2A: capitalization fix; WP:NCGN#Names of classes. Wikihistorian (talk) 09:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:1959 diestablishments in Nepal to Category:1959 disestablishments in Nepal – C2A: Typo Solidest (talk) 07:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Opposed requests

• Category:Reading (process) to Category:Reading – C2D: Primary article is simply reading. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Needs to go through full discussion as C2D doesn't apply as its ambiguous, note I did support the RM for the article back in 2018. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles to Category:Beyond-visual-range missiles – C2D: per Beyond-visual-range missile. 1857a (talk) 01:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Part of tree at Category:Air-to-air missiles; "Beyond-visual-range missile" is ambiguous for a category. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Procedural oppose not for the previous reason, which I disagree with, but for the fact that it will need to be dual merged into Category:Air-to-air missiles due to the change in scope. This is therefore something more fit for full discussion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  There's no change of scope. "Beyond visual range missile" does refer only to air-to-air missiles. But to the lay user, it by itself is WP:JARGON and thus ambiguous on its own. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:People executed by the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:People executed by the Ghaznavids – C2D. Garuda ^Talk! 15:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Battles involving the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:Battles involving the Ghaznavids – C2D. Garuda ^Talk! 15:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Military history of the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:Military history of the Ghaznavids – C2D. Garuda ^Talk! 15:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:People from the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:People from the Ghaznavids – C2D. Garuda ^Talk! 15:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Ghaznavid Empire to Category:Ghaznavids – C2D. Garuda ^Talk! 15:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose this batch, Ghaznavids ruled the Ghaznavid Empire. It makes sense there is only one article for both, but the category is about the empire, not (so much) about the dynasty. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Pages using Turkey district templates with unknown parameters to Category:Pages using Turkey district areas with unknown parameters – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  It looks like it's not the parameters that are unknown; it's the parameter values. I could be wrong. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Peggy Jay family to Category:Jay-Garnett family - To better summarise the contents as the family is wider than just direct relatives of Peggy Jay. OGBC1992 (talk) 09:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  I do not think this is the speedy material. @OGBC1992:, would you mind taking it to full CFD with literally the same justification? Ymblanter (talk) 10:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Hi @Ymblanter I am not sure how to take something to CFD if you wouldn't mind assisting? Many thanks. OGBC1992 (talk) 11:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Women's Championship (England) to Category:Women's Championship and sub-categories – C2D per Women's Championship. CNC (talk) 11:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Women's Championship (England) awards to Category:Women's Championship awards
  • Category:Women's Championship (England) managers to Category:Women's Championship managers
  • Category:Women's Championship (England) players to Category:Women's Championship players
  • Category:Women's Championship (England) football club squad templates to Category:Women's Championship football club squad templates
  • Category:Women's Championship (England) teams to Category:Women's Championship teams
    • Oppose this batch, too ambiguous. C2D does not apply because of Women's Championship (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

      Sure, maybe this needs a broader discussion as the (England) disambiguator needs correcting either way, given the league isn't England-based at all. If Cardiff City Ladies F.C. were promoted, we'd obviously be back to the drawing board. I'm surprised this lasted so long as a slap dash inaccurate name post moving away from the FA, but I digress. Maybe (association football) is the better option that is distinguishable, assuming we want to avoid (NewCo) for numerous reasons. CNC (talk) 22:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

      • @CommunityNotesContributor: then better take this to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

        Given I've fumbled this request in more than one way so far, I'll respectfully back out and move on now, in the hope that another editor more experienced with category moving can propose otherwise. I guess this can be moved to opposed/closed or however things work around here. Apologies for the mess. CNC (talk) 17:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Suicides in Ancient Macedonia to Category:Suicides in ancient Macedonia – C2A: "Ancient" not typically capitalized in this way. See Theatre of ancient Greece for example. WikiEditor50 (talk) 09:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Suicides in Ancient Greece to Category:Suicides in ancient Greece – C2A: "Ancient" not typically capitalized in this way. See Theatre of ancient Greece for example. WikiEditor50 (talk) 09:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Museums of Ancient Near East to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East – C2A Russian Rocky (talk) 09:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Asia to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Asia
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Israel to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Israel
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Jordan to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Jordan
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Lebanon to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Lebanon
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Syria to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Syria
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Turkey to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Turkey
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Europe to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Europe
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Austria to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Austria
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in France to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in France
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Russia to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Russia
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in the United Kingdom to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in the United Kingdom
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in Scotland to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in Scotland
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in North America to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in North America
  • Category:Museums of Ancient Near East in the United States to Category:Museums of the ancient Near East in the United States
  • Category:Novels set in the Ancient Near East to Category:Novels set in the ancient Near East
  • Category:Films set in the Ancient Near East to Category:Films set in the ancient Near East
  • Category:Sculpture of the Ancient Near East to Category:Sculpture of the ancient Near East
  • Category:Ancient near eastern cosmology to Category:Ancient Near Eastern cosmology

• Oppose all needs discussion. Johnbod (talk) 18:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• What exactly is your problem, sir? The vast majority of Wikipedia articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt). Also, "Museums of Ancient Near East" categories are missing the definite article regardless of your preferences ("Museums of the Ancient Near East" or "Museums of the ancient Near East").--Russian Rocky (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• I'm fine with adding "the" - it's "ancient" that needs discussion. If it it is true that "the vast majority of Wikipedia articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt)" this is only because of recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus. Johnbod (talk) 04:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• So why don't you discuss it on Talk:Ancient Near East instead? To begin with, there is not enough people in CFDs to discuss this matter. Also, what "capitalization fanatics" are you talking about? Are you aware that "Ancient Near East" was changed to "ancient Near East" in 2011 (Talk:Ancient Near East#Capitalization)? Here's an excerpt: "According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"." Since 2011, nobody has talked about capitalization on Talk:Ancient Near East.

Except Category:Novels set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Films set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Sculpture of the Ancient Near East, other categories with no definite article should be renamed in any case. I suggest to stick to "ancient Near East" at first because it's more widespread inspite of your claim about "a handful of capitalization fanatics" (you provided no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and is under discussion). Personally, I don't care whether it is "ancient Near East" or "Ancient Near East", but the current consensus is apparently the former and let's stick to it.--Russian Rocky (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Most category and article page names do use lowercase "ancient" in phrases like "ancient Rome" and "ancient Greece" (excluding language designations). See usage throughout the Ancient Rome page, Social class in ancient Rome, Patrician (ancient Rome), Timeline of ancient Greece, Category:Wikipedians interested in ancient Rome, Category:Novels set in ancient Rome, Category:Prosopography of ancient Rome, Category:Wars involving ancient Greece, Category:Battles involving ancient Greece, Category:Culture of ancient Greece, and Category:History books about ancient Greece for examples. I believe we should aim for consistency in article and category names. Many of these pages and categories have had these names for quite some time and were not moved recently. If you would like to use uppercase in phrases like "Ancient Greece", why not propose this at the talk pages of the main pages? WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Russian Rocky: are you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, please. Unfortunately, I can't figure out myself what Johnbod's problem is. He claimed that the vast majority of Wikipedia articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" because of "recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus", but there is no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and/or is under discussion. I agree with InverseHypercube on Talk:Ancient Near East who said the following: "According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"."
• See The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (Appendix A: Capitalization and Spelling Examples) at the Internet Archive: p. 153: "ancient Near East (noun)" "ancient Near Eastern (adj.)".--Russian Rocky (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Infantry weapons to Category:Small arms and light weapons – C2D: Infantry weapon currently points to Small arms and light weapons. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose - the common useage is "infantry weapon", vis-a-vis the legal/treaty definition. This is a case where searching would be better served, IMHO, by having the article and category at different titles. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Flying disc to Category:Frisbee – C2D: Per frisbee, the main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose - subcategories Category:Flying disc games and Category:Flying disc tournaments aren't logically renamable to "Frisbee foo", and "Flying disc" is the generic term of Frisbee. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

    Those are not the main article of the category, so that isn't relevant at all. Frisbee is an unequivocally genericized term for all flying discs, as there has been consensus in the main article to demonstrate with the title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

    • It's relevant because renaming this would create a mis-match between the main category and its children. I believe this should be given a full CfD accordingly. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

      Right now there is a mismatch between the category and its primary topic. I don't see how that is any less relevant or why its other articles should be prioritized first. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

      Category names do not have to match the name of their primary topic. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

On hold pending other discussion

• Category:Possibly fictional pirates to Category:Pirates whose existence is disputed – C2C: parent is People whose existence is disputed ^SMason_Garrison 06:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy There are fare more subcategories of Category:People whose existence is disputed that use "Possibly fictional" than "whose existence is disputed", and therefore it's not a clear convention to apply C2C. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Those are all being renamed to match this parent. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Category:Possibly fictional people from Europe ^SMason_Garrison 06:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  In that case we should wait until that is concluded and if it does then we can process this. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 23:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas to Category:Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas – C2C: parent is Russian military personnel killed in the Russo-Ukrainian War ^SMason_Garrison 14:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Smasongarrison I would suggest a full discussion for both categories as the war in Donbas involved Pro-Russian military units rather than only Russian military units and the members of the category are almost all Pro-Russian Ukrainians. Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas is a parent of Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas and a grandparent of Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas. TSventon (talk) 17:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    Why is Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas a parent of Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas? Pro-russian is a cause not a nationality. ^SMason_Garrison 19:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas contains Russians and Ukrainians so it is not really a nationality category. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    If that's the case, then the category should either be renamed to Pro-Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas or purged to only include russian nationals. I personally don't care which way it goes, but the naming isn't consistent. Can you take it to full? ^SMason_Garrison 19:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    Done at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas. TSventon (talk) 20:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Stainton, south Cumbria to Category:Stainton, Westmorland and Furness – C2D: Match Stainton, Westmorland and Furness. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose ambiguous with Stainton, Dacre, see User talk:Hey man im josh#Stainton. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Postpone until we know the result of the proposed move of Stainton, Westmorland and Furness. Grutness...wha? 03:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:United States–European Union relations to Category:European Union–United States relations – C2D: and C2C (cousins). Web-julio (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Fiji–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Fiji relations
  • Category:The Gambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–the Gambia relations
  • Category:Georgia (country)–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Georgia (country) relations
  • Category:Greenland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Greenland relations
  • Category:Guatemala–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guatemala relations
  • Category:Guyana–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guyana relations
  • Category:Holy See–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Holy See relations
  • Category:Iceland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iceland relations
  • Category:India–European Union relations to Category:European Union–India relations
  • Category:Indonesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Indonesia relations
  • Category:Iran–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iran relations
  • Category:Iraq–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iraq relations
  • Category:Israel–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Israel relations
  • Category:Ivory Coast–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ivory Coast relations
  • Category:Jamaica–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jamaica relations
  • Category:Japan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Japan relations
  • Category:Jordan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jordan relations
  • Category:Kazakhstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kazakhstan relations
  • Category:Kosovo–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kosovo relations
  • Category:Kyrgyzstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kyrgyzstan relations
  • Category:Lebanon–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Lebanon relations
  • Category:Libya–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Libya relations
  • Category:Liechtenstein–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Liechtenstein relations
  • Category:Madagascar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Madagascar relations
  • Category:Malaysia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Malaysia relations
  • Category:Maldives–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Maldives relations
  • Category:Mali–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mali relations
  • Category:Mauritania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritania relations
  • Category:Mauritius–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritius relations
  • Category:Mexico–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mexico relations
  • Category:Micronesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Micronesia relations
  • Category:Moldova–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Moldova relations
  • Category:Monaco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Monaco relations
  • Category:Mongolia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mongolia relations
  • Category:Montenegro–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Montenegro relations
  • Category:Morocco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Morocco relations
  • Category:Namibia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Namibia relations
  • Category:Nepal–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nepal relations
  • Category:New Zealand–European Union relations to Category:European Union–New Zealand relations
  • Category:Nicaragua–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nicaragua relations
  • Category:Niue–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Niue relations
  • Category:North Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Korea relations
  • Category:North Macedonia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Macedonia relations
  • Category:Norway–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Norway relations
  • Category:Pakistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Pakistan relations
  • Category:Palau–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Palau relations
  • Category:State of Palestine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–State of Palestine relations
  • Category:Philippines–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Philippines relations
  • Category:Qatar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Qatar relations
  • Category:Russia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Russia relations
  • Category:Samoa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Samoa relations
  • Category:San Marino–European Union relations to Category:European Union–San Marino relations
  • Category:São Tomé and Príncipe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–São Tomé and Príncipe relations
  • Category:Saudi Arabia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Saudi Arabia relations
  • Category:Serbia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Serbia relations
  • Category:Seychelles–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Seychelles relations
  • Category:Sierra Leone–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sierra Leone relations
  • Category:Singapore–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Singapore relations
  • Category:Somalia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Somalia relations
  • Category:South Africa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Africa relations
  • Category:South Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Korea relations
  • Category:Sri Lanka–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sri Lanka relations
  • Category:Switzerland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Switzerland relations
  • Category:Syria–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Syria relations
  • Category:Taiwan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Taiwan relations
  • Category:Tanzania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tanzania relations
  • Category:Tonga–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tonga relations
  • Category:Turkey–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkey relations
  • Category:Turkmenistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkmenistan relations
  • Category:Uganda–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uganda relations
  • Category:Ukraine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ukraine relations
  • Category:Uzbekistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uzbekistan relations
  • Category:Venezuela–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Venezuela relations
  • Category:Vietnam–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Vietnam relations
  • Category:Yemen–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Yemen relations
  • Category:Zambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zambia relations
  • Category:Zimbabwe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zimbabwe relations

    Commnet All European Union cats nominated are under the false impression that the EU is a country and that standard naming conventions apply. They don't. The EU is a multilateral organization. All categories nominated are under the proper naming convention. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    Query @WikiCleanerMan: is this an objection to 'all of the above', then? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    No, they are not. In the case of some, many are C2D (such as the USA case). So shouldn't have a consistency with order? Because a category and some articles start with EU: European Union–Sudan relations, European Union–Turkey relations, and Category:European Union–Rwanda relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    Yes. I object. There needs to be wider consensus and there is no consensus as in case in point from 2014 from the US article talk page. Country-EU relations title format as been the way for a long time and it isn't going to change without a wider discussion for the articles. Nominator is going backwards by starting wit categorizes. Alphabetical order is for countries. EU is not a country. African Union-European Union is fine because those are two organizations not countries that have relations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    @WikiCleanerMan So should I start CFD now or someone else? Web-julio (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    @Web-julio you can if you want, but I don't think that it's going to be successful. I don't think that the rename is a good idea because having the country first is more helpful for navigation. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I think you need to slow down and learn more about categorization norms before making mass changes. ^SMason_Garrison 02:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    So are we gonna keep Rwanda? There's nothing to learn here as no consensus or policy was shown regarding this inconsistency. Web-julio (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    Ok, well, if you think you know everything about categories fine. But I already pointed out that demanding a policy/consensus be shown is not a good way to learn about categorization. ^SMason_Garrison 02:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    There is consistency. As in they already existed already long before you started editing Wikipedia. The Rwanda category has to be changed to it's proper name setting. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    @WikiCleanerMan The lack of consistency is why it would need to go to full. There is no need to bring account age into the conversation. ^SMason_Garrison 12:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

    None of these are countries either: Category:African Union–European Union relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    • @Web-julio: you can move the discussion to CFD if you want to, in that case please re-tag the category pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

      @Marcocapelle I think that since a RM is going on, we could wait. I guess that's why these weren't removed from here, right? Web-julio (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

      @Web-julio: The RM was closed as no consensus. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Moved to full discussion

• Category:Sailing clubs in Maine to Category:Yacht clubs in Maine – C2C. User:Namiba 21:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose speedy per Category:Sailing in the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:48, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Marcocapelle:, the parent category is Category:Yacht clubs in the United States, which is the common useage for this sort of organization and was just kept at that name at CFD. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• That said, nominated all of the subcategories at CfD.

• Category:Alvarado wrestling family to Category:Alvarado professional wrestling family – C2C: Per all other subcategories of Category:Professional wrestling families. Mike Selinker (talk) 00:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy The main article is Alvarado wrestling family. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 06:53, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• • Brought up for full discussion.--Mike Selinker (talk) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Neapolitan families to Category:Families of Naples – C2C: Per other categories in Category:Italian families. Mike Selinker (talk) 07:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for speedy, we should discuss whether Category:Families from the Kingdom of Naples is perhaps a better target. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Agreed and brought up for full discussion.--Mike Selinker (talk) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Bailey family (Rugby) to Category:Bailey family (rugby) – C2A: Capitalization. Mike Selinker (talk) 07:12, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose needs to be "rugby league", as opposed to rugby football, or indeed Rugby, England. Johnbod (talk) 18:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Agreed and brought up for full discussion.--Mike Selinker (talk) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Persian physicists to Category:Ancient Persian physicists – C2C: parents are Ancient Persian people and Iranian physicists. Category:Persian people has a disclaimer that "historic Persian people use Ancient Persian people (before AD 500) or Medieval Iranian people (AD 500 to AD 1500)" ^SMason_Garrison 20:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Smasongarrison: the articles are about medieval people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'd be equally fine with Medieval Iranian physicists. ^SMason_Garrison 21:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  • @Smasongarrison: sorry for bothering you again but I think there is no longer a speedy criterion applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

    Can you bring it to full? ^SMason_Garrison 14:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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